Deborah Meints-Pierson, LMFT

Deborah is a master therapist (licensed for over 35 years), spiritual teacher, television host, author and 3rd generation intuitive. She has helped transform the lives of thousands of people around the world. Her pioneering approach bridges Psychology, Spirituality and the Mystic Tools. Deborah is a sought out authority in the field of psychology and has served as a Palm Springs psychological expert for TV, radio & print. She wrote and Co-Hosted the popular television program "It's A Family Affair" on Time Warner Television for over a decade. Deborah has been featured in numerous shows, radio programs and publications including NBC, ABC, K-News Voice of The Valley, Desert Sun Newspaper, Desert Woman magazine and Health & Spirituality magazine.

When Deborah is not transforming lives you can find her hiking in the beautiful desert, music jamming with friends, dancing, practicing yoga, reading, & writing poetry. For more: https://soulpathsessions.com

Brenda Littleton, MA

As an educator & counselor based in social justice, personal literacy, eco & depth psychology, Brenda has worked with thousands of students and clients in their wholeness journey. She holds a graduate degree in education, post-graduate studies in counseling, and depth psychology at the doctoral level and is certified in coaching, trauma and psycho-biotics. Blending modalities of attachment theory, somatic healing, active imagination, dream work, restorative education, & place-based learning, she empahsizes the link between the mind-body-spirit-earth relationship for the healing.

Brenda's has served as a university program director of graduate studies, a clinical counselor for domestic violence & trauma recovery, a behavioral specialist in schools, & is a successful coach of executives, creatives and entrepreneurs. She is a reiki master, writer, speaker & continues in a lineage of Druidic animistic prayer circles. For more: https://www.brendalittleton.com

Acknowledgments:

Original Music composed by Zach Meints

The Soul Path Sessions Podcast is produced by Homeless Betty Productions

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Episode 6 Description

This episode concludes a two-part discussion about Initiations, Invitations & Epiphanies. Deborah shares her deeply personal story about her experiences with grief and loss as an initiation and that, although painful, holds the promise of hope within them if we can pay attention to the messages, synchronicities and signs that surround these events. The conversation shifts to the possibilities that the path of joy can also be a very powerful initiation into a new way of seeing ourselves and our place in the world and is able to lead us across those thresholds that grief may hold sway over.

Chapters & Links

00:01:37 - Grief & Loss as an Initiation

https://soulpassages.ca/grief-and-loss-as-initiation/

00:10:53 - Synchronicity as an Invitation

https://lonerwolf.com/synchronicity

00:15:33 - Called to Therapy: The Crack in the Cosmic Egg

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072NF34H5/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

00:21:10 - Popcorn Opportunities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26vCVefcCOg

00:24:22 - The Path of Joy

http://www.thedailyinspirations.com/documents/the_mother_-_mirra_alfassa.html

00:27:27 - Living Like Maude

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_and_Maude

00:31:19 - Laughing With God

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-gestalt-therapy-4584583

ACKNOWLEDGMENTS

Original music by Zach Meints

The Soul Path Sessions podcast is produced by Homeless Betty Productions

Announcer: (00:08)

Welcome to the Soul Path Sessions podcast with Deborah Meints-Pierson and Brenda Littleton. Brenda is an educator and counselor rooted in Jungian and eco psychology. She helps her clients understand the importance of the mind, body, spirit, and earth relationship for healing. Deborah is a licensed psychotherapist and has been trained in traditional and sacred psychology, exploring from the ground up what makes our human experience meaningful, wholesome, and enlightening. Deborah, and Brenda invite you to accompany them on a soul path journey as they explore the possibilities of living a more soulful life as therapists, seekers and lovers of fate.

Deborah: (00:50)

Welcome back. We are continuing our discussion of initiation, invitations, and we're looking at epiphanies. This is kind of a continuance from prior podcast when we were sharing stories of initiations and our choices and we started talking off mic about some of the things we didn't talk about. So we're going to return and come back. Deborah, you had some comments about death, and invocations the epiphanies and since we are in the holy time right now, it seems to be fitting to integrate this into our time and space today.

Deborah: (01:37)

Exactly. You'd asked me in the last episode, when I was 17 and I had this experience of turning into light and exploding, how I'd integrated it, and I just said, because I knew it was there, but I told you that the one that really stayed with me was death initiated me. When I was 21, my father took his own life. Largely because my father suffered from a mental illness that wasn't treated in those days. His despair grew and I had this huge wedding. I kind of felt forced in the arms of a person that I wasn't ready to marry and he didn't really want to marry me, but I needed a family that was more stable and that's how I went about it. I left on my honeymoon and I couldn't reach home. I was supposed to meet my dad and we were going to meet at the top of the Mark and have a drink in San Francisco because he was traveling and he didn't show up. We didn't have cell phones, so I call home and they changed the number. My brother and my sister-in-law answered the phone and it was her phone number.

Deborah: (03:02)

They actually changed my parent's number to my brother's number. They said, oh my God, it's Debbie. It was three days after and tmy brother said, are you sitting down? And I hate it when anybody says to me, are you sitting down? Don't tell me that, I'd rather faint. He says, dad took his own life. I was literally screaming. Did he take mom too? I was really frightened about that. And so I found out what he had done. He had taken his army rifle and he had killed himself with it in my bathroom. I hung up in a complete state shock. I was staying in this little place in San Francisco on my way up to the Oregon coast. I walked into the bathroom to put cold water on my face and I was in shock and I saw the face of a person that wasn't my face anymore.

Deborah: (03:54)

I didn't recognize her. Suddenly I was lifted out of my body, felt like I was just picked up and there were these, I would call them dark angels, but they were definitely heavenly voices and they pulled me up so I could see myself two places. I went above myself and this voice said, now it can begin. These voices said, now it can begin. And when they said, now it can be begin, I went into what I'd call a rapture and it was something my soul experienced. I exalted and I was like, my soul was like doing this happy dance, you know like, yes, yes, that's why we came here. I had this moment.

Deborah: (04:37)

Like I had soul contract and it could only start if something epic happened, I guess. I'd like to put it in terms that you all understand, but this is what I experienced. Then I came back into my body and I was just devastated. I mean, I was numb. In fact later that night when we finally got home, I actually ran my body into the shower to try to stop myself, my body couldn't handle that much grief. I would run across the room and hit the shower wall. And my husband, who was my husband of 10 minutes because no marriage could last through that kind of grief.

Brenda: (05:12)

The 10 minute husband.

(05:13)

the 10 minute husband it's called. Yeah. So I ended up bruising myself and he wanted to go to work the next day. He was, you know, we were not meant to be together, so I just slept on the couch. I did the whole grief journey. My grandfather, who I adored, said, I will be your dad now. And that was so precious. And there's wedding gifts all over the house. It was just horrible to come home to this.

Deborah: (05:47)

My grandfather who I adored said, I will be your dad now and I remember at my dad's funeral he held my hand and the same people that had been at my wedding were at my dad's funeral. And it was just unreal. He was in his Navy blue suit and he looked so handsome and I thought I can do this, my grandpa's here. So three months later on Thanksgiving, my grandfather came to dinner. I played tennis with my brother. My mom and I cooked a feast in her new home. She was very tender and my grandparents were going to spend the night and after dinner, my grandfather and I sang row, row, row your boat gently down the stream, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is, but a dream. We used to sing together, I adored him. And he told me, you know, I had a funny dream, I dreamed that there was this oil tanker and it had a leak in it. And I said, oh, isn't that interesting? I don't know what that means. You know, I'm like 21. I don't know. I go home. I get a phone call. Again, one of those, will you sit down and my mother, she goes, grandpa died. He had a heart attack and he died in the bed right after I left.

Deborah: (06:58)

I went racing down to the hospital in my pajamas. I didn't even take myself outta my pajamas. My whole family was there in their pajamas and there was grandpa. They wouldn't let us see him, but they had tried to resuscitate him, and my mother had watched that she'd watched they had put needles, you know, to put adrenaline in your heart. She'd watched all that in the first night, in her new home, that's her initiation. So this was a strong initiation. I would have to tell you that would be the night that so many things died. My grandmother left her body, emotionally. She never came back. We all slept in the same bed. I was so in despair, I had just moved back to California. I really had no friends. I had moved away to Texas and now was back in California. I remember saying to God these impasioned cries. We sold all the furniture in the front yard of my mom's mom's house in Huntington Harbor. Every stick of it gone.

Deborah: (08:05)

Grandma wasn't doing well. Grandma moved in, it was just a crazy time. And I'm married to this person, I don't even know who he is, and I remember saying, I don't want to be here and I have to be here for my mother. I have to keep her alive. I have to keep grandma alive. I'm going to do these things, but I don't want to be here. You have to show me you are real. I remember being on the freeway and thinking, I'm just going to let go. On the 55. I'm just going to let go. You know, Jesus take the wheel kind of a moment. I don't want to be here. You better show me, show me the money. So surrendered and so lost. I'd like to tell you, this just went away. But I do recall that I went back to university. I was going to Cal State Long Beach. At that time, I couldn't afford to go to University of Texas or any kind of school. The estate not available. So I went back to school and I remember sitting there in my little Mazda RX3 care that hardly ran, looking at the windshile and is was sunset.

Deborah: (09:06)

it was in the middle of the semester. I'd just come back from my grandfather's funeral and this light of the evening came to me. And this knowing that I was going to make this a good story, I knew it in the marrow of my bones. I was determined, as God is my witness, that I was going to make this a good story. And I would not be stopped. It was like divine will and my will joined. I got straight A's that semester, Which wasn't really the big piece of it, but the fact that I could even function in that way,

Brenda: (09:53)

That you even went to school.

Deborah: (09:54)

That I even could go to school. I had a lot of experiences. I encountered a young woman on the campus who was crying and I walked by her and I saw her crying. And normally I would've just kind of thought that's a little awkward, but I sat down next to her and she told me she just asked God, if no one noticed her crying, she going to go home and kill herself. It was then I got the first hint that something was, I was being called to something.

Brenda: (10:26)

So your initiation through grief. Grief, the sense of loss, the sense of despair of not knowing and not having any skillset prior. You went through your father, but it was so relatively new there was no history. You were raw in the moment and the sense of the initiation through grief.

Deborah: (10:53)

I got a little footnote here. This is how weird synchronicity is. When I took my licensing exam, it was really crazy hard. 10 years later. I didn't even like psychology, but that's another story for another day. I got shifted into a master's in psychology. So here I am, they give me the test, the oral exam, the most difficult part. Ten years to the day of my father's suicide in LA where my dad died,.

Brenda: (11:30)

That is simultaneously activating my memory of me taking my orals and walking in. I don't want to dismiss where you left off.

Deborah: (11:42)

No, no, not at all.

Brenda: (11:43)

I want to augment the sense of synchronicity.

Brenda: (11:47)

I walked in, saw my name on the list and where I was to go and feeling the sense of I have no one to share this My parents had been dead for a while. My brother had died and I had no real family. I had no one. After I take the exam, who am I going to share this with. And I felt completely on my own. Not just a lonely person, but I was in this world, this cosmos, completely alone. On the list where it showed the time when my orals were in the room, it showed the three people, I forget what they're called, the examiners.

Deborah: (12:36)

Examiners!

Brenda: (12:41)

I looked and there was a Barbara, so and so, Joe, so and so, and a Michael, so and so, and I immediately burst out laughing. My mother's name was Barbara and my father's name was Michael. And so I had Barbara and Michael in the room with me. I immediately knew I nailed it before I even got in it. I just knew. It was a real energy shift.

Deborah: (13:11)

Now we're going to play triple synchronicity. Because the night before my orals, I was a nervous wreck. And I went to bed feeling very alone, and not be able to sleep very well. And at three in the morning, I got up, as I wasn't sleeping, to use a restroom. As I was in this small room, my father came to me. He was a dark, column of light. He was a presence. I couldn't see him, but I could feel him. He was dark, but he was there, and he was standing right next to me. And he was supporting me. And the next morning, when I walked down the hall on July 26, his death day, to that room, I felt my father ushering me in.

Deborah: (14:03)

When I did my oral examination, I went over the hour because you have to talk, you have to answer questions. I felt so full of knowing, I prepared for it, it didn't just happen miraculously that way. But I knew my father was with me supporting me. And when I went to leave, you were allowed to bring a few notes, when they asked you a question, you could write it down. And the woman looked at me and she said, you want to keep these for your scrapbook. Only a third of the people that came that day passed, I was one of them and she gave me that piece of paper and my dad came to me. So I wasn't alone either. How can you think this? How can you dismiss that?

Brenda: (14:47)

I think it's there. The object is to be aware of it and to be able to see,

Deborah: (14:57)

When I took the written part of the examination, it was in the Pasadena Civic Auditorium, where my parents met. So they went to their first dance there. I took the test so fast I was the first one out of the building. It was a very difficult exam. My hand was like automatic writing. I left my sweater in there. They had to call me back. My husband had gone shopping. He didn't come for another hour. I'm like, do I think I did that right?

Brenda: (15:29)

Yeah.

Deborah: (15:31)

God being supportive. We have support.

Brenda: (15:33)

We do have support. As I'm listening to your history and I'm recalling mine, I'm always looking for the benefits and the lessons and what new ways can I be and how does it integrate? And often what I call the three day rule. And I found out that you have the three day rule too. After anything horrible happens at the third day, there's some change. There's some lightning, there's some understanding, there's some healing, wholeness, moving forward.

Deborah: (16:08)

Three days and three nights. That's what we're in right now. Yeah. Good Friday, Saturday, Sunday, three days and three nights.

Brenda: (16:16)

That break in normalcy, that break in the common, comfortable day to day existence that perhaps having these episodic ruptures, these moments of initiation, are what we really need as humans. You know, I practice being present. It's these ruptures, these moments of the crack in the cosmic egg syndrome that allow me to see differently.

Deborah: (16:54)

It's funny you should say that because the day of my wedding I was reading that book and I said to my dad, Joseph Chilton Pearce, you should really check him out. He talks about this being a relative reality and you can be another consciousness. My dad goes like, yeah. I was really pushing the book on him. Just funny you should mention it.

Brenda: (17:15)

It's something that was one of my first initiatory, a long time ago. I still have it. It's a yellowed paperback. If I breathe on it, it falls apart. It needs to be in a plastic bag. So what council, other than example, but in the sense of sharing our stories in hopes of serving,

Deborah: (17:46)

People come to therapists, counselors, healers, because they're broken. You don't get somebody's telling you I just feel like paying you to tell you how great I feel. This is not why they call us. They're calling because they're at thresholds. They are in this holy ground. And if we don't see it as holy ground. I mean, this is an initiation you're going through. I mean, I don't wish it on you. I don't want for you to suffer. But when the striding self sits down and doesn't know what to do and is humbled, humiliated soiled hummus. When we are humiliated down to that place, there is always an invitation to go seeking more, to long for something, greater understanding, to break from the normal world and be called into something else. But you can choose that. Or you can just go below the radar and say, I'm wounded and I never want to get up. But the people who are brave enough to reach out, they're doing the soul call.

Brenda: (18:59)

It's also an act of permission, I think, to function and behave in ways that were conditioned through an ego conscious world, a compensation to not go there, but now there's a reason to go there. Now there's a way into a new forum and out of an old way.

Deborah: (19:20)

Yeah. A lot of times deep down people may not formally pray, but their soul tells them something's done. Deeply, like this marriage is over, or I knew my son was going to die. I don't know. People tell me this all the time. Like they had some premonition, they didn't want to know it. Something was going to happen. Their soul gets it's like a low or deep sense of things. They weren't completely, sometimes we're completely clueless. It's clueless, you know, 911 clueless. In either case It's an opportunity. The Chinese symbol for crisis is the exact same symbol for opportunity. They're one in the same. I have it in my office. One of my clients painted it for me and gave it to me as a gift and a gold frame. If you want it, it can be an opportunity.

Brenda: (20:13)

It is.

Deborah: (20:14)

To know more, to be more, to hold more, to be open to the meta. Beyond our human understanding. And of course, with cell phones and instant communication that we take for granted. When I was a kid, somebody told me I got this little thing in my pocket that was a computer that I could talk to anybody in the world and find out anything, I'd say, are you kidding? It's like the Jetsons. It's crazy. What? I mean, that would've been way beyond my imagination that we would communicate this way.

Brenda: (20:43)

A DickTracy watch.

Deborah: (20:44)

I think we're at least as interesting as our cell phones. I see our brain and our body as a receiver, storage unit and transmission unit. I really do. Why should our phones be more interesting than us? So when we ask and we shall receive, we send out a vibration, we ask and we have the ability to receive and to channel that information,

Brenda: (21:10)

It reminds me of the work that I'm studying with Christie Marie Sheldon on clear and transmute across all time, space, dimension, and reality. Any obstruction, any resistance in any form of blockage. And then you fill in the blank and it's a sense of, not this magical thinking, per se, as it is understanding that there is a frequency available. One of the exercises I was practicing, I actually went back in time. I was like, 16, 17. Remember when you're young and anything is available to you. The world is your oyster as the saying is, and that no matter where you went, no matter what you did, the opportunities were just showing up and popping up like popcorn. You know, it was just always there and that was the way life was.

Brenda: (22:08)

There was never any understanding that as you grew older and situations change that those popcorn of opportunities would diminish or perhaps be more selective. And just going back into that frequency, back into that memory, was like stepping into a river and embodying that memory. And I have to tell you, there was within 24 hours, situations that turned around, opportunities that produced phenomenal results, not only creatively, but financially, relationship wise, and I thought, oh, this is another one of those initiations, but instead of me relying on the crack and the cosmic egg. Initiation grief, it was, oh, it can go the other way. It was that sense of walking into the room of joy and it's always available. It wasn't so much a learning as it was a memory of remembering, Brenda it's there.

Brenda: (23:17)

It's always there. And what part of my ego conscious life has been so heavy and thick and occupied with other banal, day to day, deeper, denser work that allowed me to forget that possibility of my experience. And then also when you were discussing being flooded with the light and having that available. So, I see it both ways. I see the idea of our grief and truncated reality offers that opening and we can also harvest the skillset, the, slight of hand, the slight of heart, the opening, the turn. The turn is also available through joy.

Deborah: (24:22)

The path of joy. Mother Mirra says there's two paths, one is sorrow. One is joy. They both lead you there. I think that's wonderful. I think taking risks, like I play music. When I play music, dude, I am the music. I don't have thoughts other than I'm digging this jam or this song, or I'm dancing. Singing. It just takes me away. I'm in the moment, I go to joy. Satsang and singing with people. Joining in a group. If people go to concerts or are singing, they don't have a problem in the world. Sing It out.

Brenda: (25:00)

The Bahkti Fest used to be so fantastic. The group energy of being at that same beat at the same time.

Deborah: (25:11)

I used to go see Amma, Ammachi, and we would sing and praise God, and I'd get so high I had a voice that I wouldn't even know was mine. It could reach around the room. My heart was completely blown open. All of our hearts were completely blown open because all we were there to do was acknowledge the oneness of God and love. How cool is that? And like you said, we get so...She was just simply underscoring what Christ and others have said, you know, lean on me, let me help you. I'll help you. This higher energy form, whatever you want to call it and, and sing and praise and dance and move. And man, expand city, you know, expandarama.

Brenda: (25:58)

That is usually right under my fingertips when I'm working with someone that comes in and they're beginning their transition of finding their life in the latter part, like the last phase of their life. They're from like 59 to 64 area, and completely inappropriate to talk about joy and opening the heart chakra and moving into other choices. It is, still, their beginning path. Recently, the last couple years, especially through COVID, being aware of the discrepancy or the distance between someone wanting a change in life versus the, the difficulty and the sadness and their sense of extrapolation away, you know, trying to leave. And yet it's really more of a molting. We talked about this in one of our earlier podcasts of the imaginal cells taking over and they're molting. They don't know what's going on. Trying to work with someone and it's not frivolous. It's not about dismissing what they're going through. And yet there is this huge energy in me saying, oh my gosh, I can't wait till you get through to the other side!

Deborah: (27:27)

Yea, I can totally relate to the heaviness of it because you have all your traumas and sometimes it's just too much. Something hits you and your joints hurt and your husband dies and that could get really heavy. So, I don't want to discount the dark night of the soul. In fact, I have so much love and compassion. I worked at Gilda's Club for six years with people going through cancer and old age and losing loved ones. And it was it's really heavy. You have to go through it and then let it be, you know, let it be there. And from that place, there has to be a season of grief. I remember Harold and Maude, really that movie, Harold and Maude, if you haven't seen, it's really creaky. I get it. It was done in the seventies, but the whole Ruth Gordon...

Brenda: (28:20)

I cried.

Deborah: (28:21)

Oh my gosh. And the Cat Stevens soundtrack, but she was person in the film who was an older person, 79, I think when the movie starts, but she essentially is living such an eccentric life. And that's always appealed to me. To be freer, as you get older to take that grief and say, why am I a member of a club diminishes me and could I be freer? Could I be free to take off. One of the great thoughts I have that came to me is when I was born they call me a little stranger. I am strange, but you know, they say babies are little strangers. So every time we lose somebody or something happens, we're introduced to life like a baby again. And if we lose our inner baby, that kind of curiosity, like, yeah, this really sucks. I don't know what I'm doing, but I wonder what's going to happen next?

Deborah: (29:13)

And the other piece is lifting your heart up to heaven. Like I talked about that poem by Clarissa Pinkola Estes, Prayer. Lift your heart up to heaven. Don't give up, don't give up, don't give up. Lift your heart up and say, I'm really ruined, but you wreck me, baby. You know, you break me in too, but you move me, honey, oh yeah, you do. That's Tom Petty. I'm going through the worst hell, but I'm doing a soul call. Like, God, if you can make this interesting and show me a way, my soul path. Show me my soul path through this time. I promise you,I will sing it on the mountain.

Brenda: (29:50)

And not fix it. Not truncate it, not stop it. Completely bring it on.

Deborah: (29:55)

Yeah. There's, equal parts of you lay down in the dirt, but at some point you lift your heart towards heaven and you know, it will be filled, and it will be filled. That's been my experience when my mom went through this horrible experience of losing my dad, she said, every day she'd ask herself. She wasn't young. She was 52 when this happened. But she said, you live or die. The question would be, do you live or die? And then she'd say, well, I'd lay there a long time and I'd go, live. And if you're going to live, you can live, laugh and love. Remember the three L thing. And she goes, I'm going to live just for today. One day at a time, 12 steps, one day at, a one breath at a time. One moment at a time. You can't get out ahead of God when you're grieving. God sits with you in your grieving. God is with you. God is in you experiencing life as you and also beyond you, coming to you. So God has all these properties. God is everything. God made you. So God is you. Having the experience of being you.

Deborah: (31:00)

I actually had a really important experience. It taught me that, I don't know where our time's at, but it'll either wait for this podcast or it'll be at cliffhanger. So I was out in my kayak, Frida, on Duck Lake where I go.

Brenda: (31:18)

I'm looking at the photo.

Deborah: (31:19)

My favorite, favorite thing. I had lost two friends. Dear, dear friends, my best friends. Rena Rodman, and Kay Selzer had died within three months of each other, like my dad and my grandpa. And this was just about, I don't know, six years ago. These are like the inside circle people. The people you call when something happens that you want to tell them. Like you passed a test or somebody died They both died kind of unexpectedly quickly. So I went on my kayak and I decided to talk to Kay. So I started and Kay was like a light in the right hand side of my vision. Well, I'm on this kayak. Besides I do a lot of gestalt work, so I was just talking to her anyway and I just start and an Eagle landed right beside me with its feet in the water, you know, came skidding in, right when I called her.

Brenda: (32:14)

Kay's here.

Deborah: (32:14)

Kay's here. So we had a regular conversation. She was saying things like, oh, you know, it's fine. She was really making very little of her experience like, oh, it's such a relief. That's what she was saying. This is not permission for you to listeners out there to leave your earth experience, you'll just be recycled. Have to come back here and do it again. But, the point of the story is, I got to this place, I talked to Kay, I'm sitting by the island, looking across at my house.

Deborah: (32:42)

It's evening. The sky is perfectly reflected in all those glorious Pacific Northwest colors. Every color of the rainbow on a still lake, setting sun and I'm feeling Kay. And all of a sudden this rumble comes from the shores towards me. It's a rumble, like I've never heard. And this voice says, do you like how I did Kay? how I'm doing Kay? And I say, yes. And then the voice says, do you like how I'm doing the lake. I'm like, yes. Do you like how I'm doing the sunset? Yes. And then up through the center of my body with a radiance beyond any radiance, with a compassion beyond any compassion, the voice says, do you like how I'm doing you?

Brenda: (33:29)

The ultimate love affair.

Deborah: (33:32)

The ultimate love affair. And I'm holding this space in realizing I've never been alone, not one day of my life, because God is having the same headache, the same pimples, same wrinkles that I have and has gone through the same losses I have. Then as I'm holding all that from the edges of the earth coming towards me, rushing, is this divine laughter, It's laughing, like, isn't this the best joke you've ever. And I'm like, it is. It's laughing like this royalty and laughing and laughing and laughing. And I'm just like, it's funny. And I also feel like my best friend is experiencing this with me. God is my best friend. I am God. I'm a part of God. And it's funny joke. And so I look across at my house and I see the lights on and I go, I've got to go in and the minute I set foot on that grass, it will diminish. But for now...

Brenda: (34:28)

You're in it.

Deborah: (34:29)

I know the truth. And the truth has set me free. And that was my big story and I'm sticking to it.

Brenda: (34:37)

Yeah. You're sticking to it. I love it. So the embodiment of spirit. Yeah. Very much. Thank you for sharing your light.

Deborah: (34:46)

Oh, thank you for sharing your light, Brenda. Love and light to everyone.

Brenda: (34:51)

God bless.

Announcer: (34:54)

And that concludes this week's episode of the Soul Path Sessions podcast with Deborah Meints-Pierson and Brenda Littleton. If you'd like to hear more about living a more soulful life, please subscribe to our channel on your favorite podcast app and be sure to check out the show notes and links below. For more information from Deborah visit soulpathsessions.com and for Brenda, brendalittleton.com. Thank you for listening, and remember to follow your soul, it knows the way.